9/11: Falsifiablity

9/11 truthers are guilty of making their theory impervious to falsification. Yeah I said it. This isn’t intended as an ad-hominem attack, I’m merely attempting to understand the psychology of truthers and sadly I’ve come to find that their logic is seriously flawed.

The fatal flaw in their thinking can be summarized as the following: Using denial or contradictory evidence as further proof of the theory, thereby making the theory unfalsifiable and resistant to change or logic. The exact same logic was employed during the Salem Witch Trials – if a woman claims she is not a witch, then it proves she is one. The exact same logic was employed during the Second Red Scare – if a man claims he is not a Communist, then he is one.

A fellow by the name of Hitler was also fond of doubting anything he didn’t already believe in, especially his vehement hatred of the Jews. In Mein Kampf he mentions The Protocols which are a forged document detailing a Jewish plan for world domination:

The extent to which the whole existence of the people is based on a continual lie is shown in an incomparable manner in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which the Jews hate so tremendously. The Frankfurter Zeitung is forever moaning to the people that they are supposed to be a forgery; which is the surest proof that they are genuine. What many Jews do perhaps unconsciously is here consciously exposed. But that is not what matters…What matters is that they uncover, with really horrifying reliability, the nature and activity of the Jewish people, and expose them in their logic and their final aims.

The sentence: “The Frankfurter Zeitung is forever moaning to the people that they are supposed to be a forgery; which is the surest proof that they are genuine,” is the most startling admission of erroneous logic I’ve ever heard. Essentially, Hitler is stating that The Protocols are real because other people are calling them fake. Nothing can defeat this argument.

And as was previously mentioned, 9/11 truthers are also guilty of this erroneous logic. The following quotes are taken from Shanksville, PA coroner Wally Miller who assisted in the clean up of the debris of Flight 93:

“I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were not bodies there.”

“I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop.”

These quotes certainly appear damning to the official account. But as is so often the case, the suspicion disappears when the truth is revealed.

In the following article, it’s clear Miller was talking about the devastation of the plane impacts. The bodies were vaporized and discovering remains was difficult. This is why ‘a single drop of blood’ was not found. Here is a portion of the article:

The FBI has mandated DNA testing to confirm the identities of remains, a process just beginning that Miller said could take four to six months. But using mostly dental records, Miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers — a number that the coroner said might grow with last weekend’s recovery of additional remains. (http://www.postgazette.com/headlines/20011003crash1003p3.asp)

In another article, USNews paraphrases Miller as stating, All that debris, and the fact that only 8 percent of the human remains could be recovered, mean the site is, essentially, a cemetery. Then they quote Miller directly, “The real story is about what those people did, deciding to rush the [terrorists] and sell everyone else on the idea,” says Miller, who spent weeks crawling around on his hands and knees searching for remains and would rather talk about anything else. “Where it landed is not what matters. The most important thing is that they be properly remembered.” (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911shanksville.htm)

And as if that weren’t enough, Miller himself has denied the credibility of the quotes truther’s have sworn by:

A funny thing happens in the minds of truther’s – despite the facts their theory remains safe. In fact, Wally Miller’s denial of the validity of their claims further proves the conspiracy theory. Just like Hitler, truther’s make their argument impervious to falsification by using denial as further evidence of the theory. Many truther’s probably subconsciously realize that if they were to admit that they take Wally Miller’s quote out of context, then a large portion of their theory crumbles. Thus, instead of face the reality that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, PA and the bodies were mostly vaporized, truthers deny Miller’s claim as sincere and their theory remains safe.

Remove all bias, be objective, and analyze what remains. The objective fact is that articles exist in which Miller actually validates the very theory which truthers oppose. It is only by selecting certain parts of Miller’s words which appears to substantiate their claims.

Truther’s claims rest on the same precarious ground as the Salem Witch Trials, The Red Scare, and the Nazi regime. History does indeed repeat itself, and it’s thanks to irrational thinking.

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10 Responses to 9/11: Falsifiablity

  1. el Once says:

    Dear Mr. Plumber,

    I love how you start “this isn’t intended as an ad-hominem attack” and then proceed to do just that with references to Salem Witch trials and Hitler in your “attempt to understand the psychology of truthers”, as if the 9/11 Truth Movement were a homogeneous caste of people with shared knowledge, experience, and fundamental religious/moral beliefs.

    Oh snap! I stand corrected. We do have shared knowledge: Newtonian physics. Good to see that you want us to drown, burn at the stake, or suffer in death camps for harboring such heretical musings.

    Your modest but growing body of work on this blog certainly make proud Cass Sunstein, Phillip Zelikow, the NSA Q-Group, and all the disinformation warriors in the employ of the US/Israeli govt. I’ll leave it as an exercise to the readers to determine which of the 25 Rules of Disinformation you apply [http://www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm].

    Mr. McKee and I love the fire truck.
    http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image165.jpg (fire truck)

    I also like:
    http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image184.jpg (another fire truck)
    http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image18swamp.jpg (police car)
    http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image9.jpg (another polic car)

    Funny. Why have neither you nor Mr. Limey indicated your favorite picture of destroyed vehicles that Dr. Judy Woods amasses on her website?

    http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#toasted
    http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/moretoastedcars.html

    With regards to both links, please ignore the limited hangout titles and subtitles for the pages referring to spaced based weapons and directed energy weapons (DEW). Just focus on the evidence. On the first link, look at the sequence starting with Figure toast2a to toast4. It shows a parking lot at some distance from the collapsing towers and the cloud of dust rolling in. Then it shows fires starting to burn in various vehicles, but not all vehicles and not paper or other non-metallic debris.

    Why have neither you nor Mr. Limey explained — through your deference to authority and the gospel of the infallible US govt — how jet fuel and office furniture fires and gravitational collapses cause such damage to vehicles outside the radius of falling debris, particularly when these fires were 80+ stories in the air and were weak & waning before they were likely snuffed out by the pulverized content in the pile?

    Of course, Mr. Limey wants us to believe that these fires were not snuffed out, burned under the rubble for months, and melted firemens’ boots. Mr. Limey isn’t a warlock. If this is truly his belief, he should be Muslim, because this is proof of one mighty Allah!

    Seeing how the start and close your article with references to witches and Hitler, allow me to state that not only am I fluent in German, but I have a German copy of Hitler’s tiresome tome “Mein Kampf” in my book collection. I figured that it was a good companion to all of my other books on the death camps, given that it provided much of the motivation and blue prints for what the Nazi’s implemented… Hey, just like the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) provided the motivation and the blue prints for what the NeoCon’s implemented. Coincidence? Cue the spooky Twighlight Zone music.

    Be careful regarding simplifying & narrowing your attempt to understand the psychology of truthers to this particular witch (actually, warlock) who carries the educated and pagan opinion (1) that milli-nukes pulverized the content of the towers, (2) that unspent but fizzling nuclear material burned under the rubble for months, and (3) that the EMP from the milli-nukes slipped out line-of-sight and caused the damage to vehicles.

    And as I caste my 9/11 hex spell over your readership, I’ll tell you up front that there is no counter spell. Not to worry though, because it does not affect those already under the spell (e.g., payroll) of various alphabet soup govt agencies.

    Whereas I sincerely look forward to your response, the realist in me knows that you will continue to ignore the evidence of milli-nukes (and corporate media complicity and manipulated imagery), because I can’t expect you to have the moxie to address things that your govt handlers haven’t had the moxie to address. Despite this, I encourage you to keep building up your body of work, your Zelikow-Sunstein homage. Keep it up, oh might Semaphore for 9/11 Truth!

    Senor El Once

  2. El Once, for the sake of clarity keep your comments brief. Also, you can bring up other points, but I’d like you to address the blog more adequately next time. It’s just a general rule for everyone to follow.

    You said, “Good to see that you want us to drown, burn at the stake, or suffer in death camps for harboring such heretical musings.” I never said such a thing and for you to say that I did is ridiculous. I’m merely comparing your beliefs with other figures in history. I’m sure I can find other people who are fond of rainbows and kittens, but share the same outlandish beliefs as you. I can compare you with them if that makes you feel better – this way my analysis won’t be considered ad-hominem.

    I want your feelings on the Wally Miller quotes and what you make of them specifically. It’s odd that you say I ignore certain claims of yours, yet here you are not making a single mention of Wally Miller. In any case, I’m sorry if it appears I’m ignoring some of your claims, I just don’t have the time to look over every single piece of evidence which is why I’d like shorter comments.

    About those photos. I’ll admit I laughed out loud. I find it hilarious that you believe this disproves the ‘official theory.’ An endless ocean of why, why, why, gets us nowhere. I agree that it may seem difficult to comprehend how the dust could cause so many fires, but then again, if millinukes were uses it would be equally difficult to see much of anything could have survived. Also, if these photos are good evidence against the official theory, then it doesn’t make it good evidence for your theory. If nukes were used, then most if not all the buildings/vehicles would be vaporized. I was also under the impression that EMPs don’t cause physical damage, just electrical damage. What is your evidence that EMP damage is consistent with the photos of the damaged vehicles in the links?

  3. Señor El Once says:

    Dear Mr. Plumber wrote:

    I want your feelings on the Wally Miller quotes and what you make of them specifically.

    In general, the statements someone makes immediately after an event, as opposed to later points in time, are the most accurate. They are the raw top-of-the-head data points before time has allowed them to cognitively connect them with other data points into potentially a completely different trend line.

    The quotes in question were:

    Shanksville, PA coroner Wally Miller who assisted in the clean up of the debris of Flight 93:

    “There was just nothing visible. It was the strangest feeling… I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. … I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop. … [L]ike someone took a scrap truck dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash in it.”

    Miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers … USNews paraphrases… only 8 percent of the human remains could be recovered.

    Flight 93 had 38 passengers, five flight attendants, and two pilots = 45 people.

    Plane crashes with passengers have bodies, body parts, seats, luggage, and aircraft parts. Miller’s initial quote-mined observations seem to testify to the lack of the first two, while other witnesses to the crash site have commented on the lack of all of the above. There is no reason to dispute it.

    My feeling is that his “correction” to his statements at a later point in time rings of outsider manipulation that has coached him to try to spin it away from the lack of bodies (which could imply vaporization by missile) and more importantly towards “of course it was the hijacked flight 93 and cause of death was known, namely impact with the ground”.

    Mr. Plumber continued (emphasis added):

    … Miller was talking about the devastation of the plane impacts. The bodies were vaporized and discovering remains was difficult.

    Vaporized, Mr. Plumber? Other than the anomalous Pentagon plane, since when do commercial passenger aircraft vaporize on impact so completely?

    You could be implying that something was shot at the aircraft to vaporize them. Or you could be using that verbiage to spin the anomalies of this crash in a direction that matches the other three planes.

    That 8% figure and even Miller’s initial statements appear to be based on the flight manifest and based on the assumption that the aircraft was indeed Flight 93. If it wasn’t Flight 93, then maybe 12 passengers is 100% of all there was.

    Señor El Once

    • El Once said, “In general, the statements someone makes immediately after an event, as opposed to later points in time, are the most accurate.”
      Numerous of innocent people have gone to jail and placed on death row merely because someone picked them out of a lineup because their memory was so “fresh.” Because eye-witnesses are prone to the same mistakes as you or I, we should always take their claims with a grain of salt. They never prove anything by themselves, they should be used as support or looked at after the fact, then we can see if we can make sense of their claims.

      El Once said, “My feeling is that his “correction” to his statements at a later point in time rings of outsider manipulation that has coached him to try to spin it away from the lack of bodies…”

      Thank you for not thinking scientifically and for proving my point by making your “theory” unfalsifiable. The key word, as you so thoughtfully put in italics, is feeling. Nicely done. Like any bad scientist, you are fond of your feelings. If being subjective and using your feelings are a form of evidence, then you can prove anything you want, which of course you do because you go on to claim how it “rings” of outsider manipulation. You’re attempts to make sense of erroneous quotes is pathetic. You have no proof that Miller’s subsequent quotes were manipulated at all. All you have are your feelings. Way to investigate.

      • Señor El Once says:

        Dear Mr. Plumber writes:

        El Once said, “In general, the statements someone makes immediately after an event, as opposed to later points in time, are the most accurate.”

        Numerous of innocent people have gone to jail and placed on death row merely because someone picked them out of a lineup because their memory was so “fresh.” Because eye-witnesses are prone to the same mistakes as you or I, we should always take their claims with a grain of salt. They never prove anything by themselves, they should be used as support or looked at after the fact, then we can see if we can make sense of their claims.

        I fully agree that eye-witnesses are prone to mistakes. And eye-witness testimony can be manipulated. Ever hear of witness tampering? Ever hear of evidence tampering? Ever hear of report fudging? Lots of tools available to get the story headed where they want.

        Mr. Plumber writes:

        El Once said, “My feeling is that his “correction” to his statements at a later point in time rings of outsider manipulation that has coached him to try to spin it away from the lack of bodies…”

        Thank you for not thinking scientifically and for proving my point by making your “theory” unfalsifiable. The key word, as you so thoughtfully put in italics, is feeling. Nicely done.

        You explicitly asked for me feelings. You didn’t ask me what I thought or had reasoned. You didn’t even ask for evidence.

        What Mr. Plumber does next is a cheap shot:

        Like any bad scientist, you are fond of your feelings. If being subjective and using your feelings are a form of evidence, then you can prove anything you want, which of course you do because you go on to claim how it “rings” of outsider manipulation. You’re attempts to make sense of erroneous quotes is pathetic. You have no proof that Miller’s subsequent quotes were manipulated at all. All you have are your feelings. Way to investigate.

        Mr. Plumber didn’t ask for evidence. He asked for feelings on this particular matter. I indulged Mr. Plumber in his little game. O-ooh, he got me. I got caught in his feelings trap, and am now proven to be a bad scientist! Ouch! Drats, that really hurts. Kudos and curses to your crafty little trap that you played me to walk right into. You got me this time, you little bugger you.

        Señor El Once

  4. Señor El Once says:

    Dear Mr. Plumber wrote:

    About those photos. I’ll admit I laughed out loud. I find it hilarious that you believe this disproves the ‘official theory.’

    What I find hilarious is that the OGCT doesn’t have an explanation for those photos. It ignores them. The fires from dust theory is yours, I believe.

    Mr. Plumber wrote:

    I agree that it may seem difficult to comprehend how the dust could cause so many fires, but then again, if millinukes were uses it would be equally difficult to see much of anything could have survived. Also, if these photos are good evidence against the official theory, then it doesn’t make it good evidence for your theory. If nukes were used, then most if not all the buildings/vehicles would be vaporized. I was also under the impression that EMPs don’t cause physical damage, just electrical damage. What is your evidence that EMP damage is consistent with the photos of the damaged vehicles in the links?

    A milliliter is smaller than a liter and a kiloliter. A millimeter is smaller than a meter and kilometer. A milli-nuke is smaller than the kiloton nukes you keep envisioning. The radius of destruction, particularly when within the confines of the chex outer steel mesh and at various heights in the structure, would not have reached to other buildings.

    Vehicles in the streets were shielded from some of the direct effects of the nuclear discharge. Some of the burned damage to the vehicles is consistent with being hit by a heat wave; others are consistent with being hit by an EMP.

    An EMP’s damage doesn’t have to be limited to electronics. It destroys unshielded electronics by inducing high currents in the metal it passes through. High currents cause high heat and can quickly cause thin circuit board traces and semiconductor leads to burn like a fuse. When that line-of-sight energy is directed at a piece of sheet metal like from a vehicle, the high currents induced can cause the paint and attachments like door handles and seals to burn away. Of course, the level of induced current is proportional to the radial distance from the source, and is affected by shading from other vehicles, structures, and the vehicle’s orientation to the EMP.

    The anomalous burn patterns to police cars and firetrucks as depicted in the pictures are explained as a side-effect to millinuke(s).

    Early on you make the comment if millinukes were uses it would be equally difficult to see much of anything could have survived. Need I remind you about the thousands of people who were vaporized, whose remains could not be found in sufficient quantity to be pieced together, who had bone fragments scattered on the roofs of adjacent building? Open your eyes. Connect the dots.

    Señor El Once

    • Yes, fire creates ash…any questions? Ok moving on. Have you maybe thought that the ‘OGCT’ is ignoring the photos because that’s a trivial detail? Your accusations about it proving millinukes or EMP blasts is quite frankly, extraneous. Why didn’t all electronic equipment shut down when the EMP blast was initiated? You are adding a lot of claims which you have little evidence for.

      On to the vaporization…If millinukes were used then lots of stuff would have vaporized, not just human remains. Why are such large pieces of the building in tact? The core looked pretty solid to me. Pretty weak nukes I guess idk.

      My eyes are open. But you have many more dots to connect my friend. Occam’s Razor eliminates nearly every claim you make. Use science, not your feelings.

      • Señor El Once says:

        Dear Mr. Plumber,

        Your response was very witty and crafty, and made me laugh. Such talent you have.

        Mr. Plumber wrote:

        Yes, fire creates ash…any questions? Ok moving on. Have you maybe thought that the ‘OGCT’ is ignoring the photos because that’s a trivial detail? Your accusations about it proving millinukes or EMP blasts is quite frankly, extraneous. Why didn’t all electronic equipment shut down when the EMP blast was initiated? You are adding a lot of claims which you have little evidence for.

        As long as the pictures are ignored and no attention is brought to them, I agree that they remain a trivial detail.

        Why would the pictures that document EMP effects of milli-nukes on vehicles be extraneous? Please explain.

        All electronic equipment shutting down is an over-generalization and misrepresents the environment. The EMP in question was intended to be contained within the steel chex mesh of the towers. But, a smaller percentage of EMP slipped out through window slits at certain heights, and to damage all electronic equipment would first have to contend with other structures blocking and shielding as well as the radial distance diminishing the EMP intensity.

        What little evidence I have still has to be addressed instead of laughed off. If milli-nukes does not explain the damage to vehicles as depicted in the links to Dr. Judy Woods limited hangout website, please explain how a gravitational collapse does.

        What is “fire creates ash” supposed to mean or explain? Ash contains no material that can be consumed by flames and is not on fire, so how would this explain the vehicle damage? Dr. Woods even shows where the vehicles were located using Google maps, in many cases a journey too far for flaming ash.

        Mr. Plumber wrote:

        On to the vaporization…If millinukes were used then lots of stuff would have vaporized, not just human remains. Why are such large pieces of the building in tact? The core looked pretty solid to me. Pretty weak nukes I guess idk.

        You are absolutely correct when you say: “If millinukes were used then lots of stuff would have vaporized, not just human remains.” Just keep in mind that millinukes does not equate with kiloton nukes that you constantly envision; they were designed for limited yield; they were likely shaped charges to direct the energy in a useful direction. Testimony and pictorial evidence shows very little of anything that is recognizable as a telephone, a computer, a chair, a desk, a cubicle partition, etc. Could they have been vaporized, Mr. Plumber? And if milli-nukes didn’t vaporize them, how does gravitational acceleration explain the massive energy sink that their crushing into nothingness represents?

        Yes, please indeed note the large pieces of the building that remains in tact, namely the chex mesh of the outer structure that was needed to help bound the millinucluear side effects. The solid core? Gone.

        By jove, I think Mr. Plumber has finally got it when he writes: “Pretty weak nukes I guess idk.” By design and intent. For the operation to succeed in moving the giant America into action and in a steerable direction, the nukes could not be large.

        Mr. Plumber wrote:

        My eyes are open. But you have many more dots to connect my friend. Occam’s Razor eliminates nearly every claim you make. Use science, not your feelings.

        I don’t need to connect dots. I just need to plant seeds, and your readership will connect them. Occam Razor and science are precisely why milli-nukes remains in the discussion.

        Señor El Once

  5. Legion says:

    Great job El Once.

    As I was reading this laughable post I was crafting a reply. Then I read your first comment.

    Talk about hitting the nail on the head.

    And to the buffoon who wrote this crap….you forgot to call us insane.

    Also: It is hard to take someone seriously when they do not understand when to use apostrophes.

    Protip: not when you are pluralizing words.

    • Thank you Mr. Legion.

      Evidently, Mr. Plumber ran out of steam last December, because he hasn’t posted here since our exchange. One could certainly argue that he has been active elsewhere on the Internet, but to leave his own blog so starved for content over this period? How sad.

      I half suspect, but can’t prove, that Mr. Plumber may have been a sockpuppet of Mr. Limey, a participant here as well. Mr. Limey has been more active on his blog, such as this forgettable more recent posting: Basic knowledge still escapes some bloggers. Mr. Limey and Mr. Plumber both have a knack for getting themselves duped by authority and its completely benign and infallible nature.

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